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記者:胡總,您認為目前中國工業控製係統安全的發展現狀是怎樣的?
胡總:工信部於2011年出台了451號文件,451號文件的要求是對中國的基礎設施尤其是工業控製網絡進行安全檢測,集中發現問題並給出安全預案。在2011年之後很多企業開始了這方麵的探索,但因為當時缺乏專業的工控網絡安全企業來幫助政府完成任務,所以效果不是很明顯。2013年nian之zhi後hou,這zhe些xie企qi業ye開kai始shi湧yong現xian,包bao括kuo穀gu神shen星xing,也ye包bao括kuo一yi些xie國guo外wai的de成cheng熟shu的de技ji術shu及ji產chan品pin開kai始shi進jin入ru中zhong國guo,使shi我wo國guo的de工gong控kong領ling域yu得de以yi迅xun速su地di發fa展zhan。目mu前qian從cong國guo家jia的de層ceng麵mian來lai講jiang對dui工gong業ye控kong製zhi網wang絡luo安an全quan是shi非fei常chang重zhong視shi的de,因yin為wei工gong業ye網wang絡luo安an全quan從cong本ben質zhi上shang講jiang是shi基ji礎chu設she施shi安an全quan,一yi旦dan出chu現xian重zhong大da的de網wang絡luo安an全quan事shi故gu,影ying響xiang和he損sun失shi無wu法fa估gu量liang。此ci外wai,企qi業ye領ling導dao層ceng也ye在zai紛fen紛fen響xiang應ying國guo家jia的de號hao召zhao,並bing對dui工gong控kong網wang絡luo安an全quan這zhe塊kuai積ji極ji地di響xiang應ying,積ji極ji采cai取qu措cuo施shi落luo實shi。所suo以yi從cong市shi場chang角jiao度du來lai講jiang,目mu前qian正zheng處chu於yu工gong控kong安an全quan市shi場chang爆bao發fa的de前qian夕xi,企qi業ye需xu要yao去qu培pei育yu市shi場chang、把握用戶的需求,把質量可靠的安全產品推廣出去。這個過程一般都有一個試用及摸索的階段,但是,工控安全的前景不可估量。

穀神星網絡科技(北京)有限公司董事長兼CEO 胡浩
記者:您認為保障工業控製網絡安全的核心環節是什麼?
胡總:hexindehuanjiejiushi,diyishizhiji,xuyaoduizhenggewangluojinxingyigechedidelejie,zuodaoxinzhongyoushu。gongkongwangluodaodicunzaishenmewenti,youshenmequexianhefengxian,womenxuyaocaiyongshenmeyangdejishucuoshi,xuyaotigaodaoshenmeyangdeshuiping;第(di)二(er)就(jiu)是(shi)知(zhi)彼(bi),假(jia)如(ru)對(dui)方(fang)知(zhi)道(dao)我(wo)的(de)這(zhe)些(xie)問(wen)題(ti)後(hou)他(ta)們(men)會(hui)采(cai)取(qu)什(shen)麼(me)樣(yang)的(de)攻(gong)擊(ji)手(shou)段(duan),當(dang)然(ran),有(you)時(shi)候(hou)本(ben)土(tu)的(de)信(xin)息(xi)安(an)全(quan)也(ye)可(ke)能(neng)是(shi)因(yin)為(wei)工(gong)作(zuo)人(ren)員(yuan)失(shi)誤(wu)或(huo)者(zhe)操(cao)作(zuo)異(yi)常(chang)導(dao)致(zhi)的(de)。那(na)麼(me),知(zhi)己(ji)知(zhi)彼(bi)之(zhi)後(hou)呢(ne),需(xu)要(yao)進(jin)行(xing)一(yi)套(tao)完(wan)整(zheng)的(de)防(fang)護(hu)方(fang)案(an),需(xu)要(yao)將(jiang)完(wan)整(zheng)的(de)防(fang)護(hu)方(fang)案(an)部(bu)署(shu)到(dao)我(wo)們(men)的(de)控(kong)製(zhi)係(xi)統(tong)裏(li)麵(mian),做(zuo)到(dao)萬(wan)無(wu)一(yi)失(shi),通(tong)常(chang)加(jia)固(gu)工(gong)控(kong)網(wang)絡(luo)安(an)全(quan),這(zhe)是(shi)我(wo)們(men)需(xu)要(yao)做(zuo)的(de)幾(ji)個(ge)步(bu)驟(zhou)。
記者:企(qi)業(ye)為(wei)工(gong)業(ye)控(kong)製(zhi)係(xi)統(tong)部(bu)署(shu)傳(chuan)統(tong)的(de)信(xin)息(xi)安(an)全(quan)防(fang)護(hu)產(chan)品(pin)會(hui)存(cun)在(zai)哪(na)些(xie)問(wen)題(ti)?與(yu)傳(chuan)統(tong)的(de)信(xin)息(xi)安(an)全(quan)防(fang)護(hu)體(ti)係(xi)相(xiang)比(bi),工(gong)控(kong)安(an)全(quan)係(xi)統(tong)存(cun)在(zai)哪(na)些(xie)專(zhuan)業(ye)性(xing)特(te)點(dian)?
胡總:首先,我們國家工業4.0水平還是比較弱的,很多企業都已經開始投入、建jian設she智zhi能neng工gong廠chang。如ru果guo僅jin僅jin是shi對dui信xin息xi安an全quan防fang護hu的de話hua,把ba自zi己ji的de工gong廠chang整zheng個ge控kong製zhi係xi統tong互hu通tong互hu聯lian了le以yi後hou,實shi際ji上shang是shi存cun在zai很hen大da的de缺que陷xian和he風feng險xian的de。由you於yu接jie口kou的de放fang開kai,黑hei客ke通tong過guo放fang開kai的de接jie口kou直zhi接jie攻gong入ru我wo們men的de係xi統tong,而er我wo們men的de係xi統tong本ben身shen這zhe些xie控kong製zhi設she備bei是shi存cun在zai網wang絡luo安an全quan漏lou洞dong的de,那na麼me通tong過guo對dui這zhe些xie漏lou洞dong的de利li用yong,會hui造zao成cheng一yi定ding程cheng度du的de破po壞huai和he損sun失shi。
工gong控kong係xi統tong對dui係xi統tong的de可ke用yong性xing及ji實shi時shi性xing要yao求qiu非fei常chang高gao,而er傳chuan統tong信xin息xi行xing業ye最zui關guan注zhu的de是shi信xin息xi本ben身shen安an全quan,所suo以yi兩liang者zhe的de關guan注zhu點dian不bu一yi樣yang。另ling外wai,工gong控kong行xing業ye中zhong的de工gong控kong產chan品pin更geng新xin換huan代dai周zhou期qi非fei常chang長chang,有you些xie係xi統tong已yi經jing運yun行xing了le十shi幾ji年nian還hai在zai服fu役yi,不bu像xiang現xian在zai的de傳chuan統tong信xin息xi產chan業ye,三san兩liang年nian就jiu要yao更geng新xin換huan代dai,更geng換huan硬ying件jian設she備bei。至zhi於yu軟ruan件jian係xi統tong,傳chuan統tong信xin息xi行xing業ye軟ruan件jian時shi常chang要yao更geng新xin,就jiu算suan更geng新xin失shi敗bai,係xi統tong重zhong啟qi也ye不bu會hui造zao成cheng太tai大da的de影ying響xiang和he損sun失shi。工gong控kong係xi統tong因yin為wei直zhi接jie控kong製zhi生sheng產chan設she備bei,如ru果guo沒mei有you重zhong大da缺que陷xian,在zai不bu影ying響xiang生sheng產chan的de條tiao件jian下xia,不bu允yun許xu更geng新xin升sheng級ji軟ruan件jian,而er且qie硬ying件jian係xi統tong都dou備bei有you冗rong餘yu設she備bei,要yao求qiu控kong製zhi係xi統tong不bu能neng有you無wu計ji劃hua的de停ting機ji或huo者zhe重zhong啟qi,否fou則ze有you可ke能neng引yin起qi重zhong大da生sheng產chan損sun失shi或huo者zhe人ren身shen傷shang害hai事shi故gu。
記者:針對不同行業和不同規模的企業,該如何進行工控安全類產品的選型?
胡總:gongkonganquanchanpindexuanxing,diyizhongyaodeshichanpinyaojishulingxianqiezhiliangkekao,zhiyoucaiyonglexianjindeanquankongzhijishu,cainengbaohuhaogongkongchanpin,dangran,ruguozhiliangbukekao,benshenjiutanbushangduichanpinjinxingyouxiaodebaohule。qici,kanqiyezaiyejiedekoubeiheshichangzhanyoulv,haodechanpin,shichanghuijushoutouzanchengpiao;buhaodechanpin,shichangzhihuiyongjiaotoupiaole。zuihou,yaokanqiyeshifouzaibutongxingyeyouyingyonganli,shifoumouxieqiyezhuanzhuyumouxiexingye,tongchangxuqiuqiyehuiduizaitongxingyeyouyejidegongkonganquanchanpinbijiaoqinglai。
穀神星的安全防護產品,是通過來自斯坦福大學、卡耐基梅隆大學、清華大學、北(bei)京(jing)大(da)學(xue)等(deng)國(guo)內(nei)外(wai)頂(ding)尖(jian)大(da)學(xue)的(de)自(zi)主(zhu)研(yan)發(fa)團(tuan)隊(dui)開(kai)發(fa)的(de),融(rong)合(he)了(le)國(guo)內(nei)外(wai)最(zui)先(xian)進(jin)的(de)安(an)全(quan)架(jia)構(gou)和(he)模(mo)塊(kuai),技(ji)術(shu)在(zai)國(guo)內(nei)外(wai)處(chu)於(yu)領(ling)先(xian)地(di)位(wei)。穀(gu)神(shen)星(xing)在(zai)國(guo)內(nei)重(zhong)要(yao)合(he)作(zuo)單(dan)位(wei)有(you)工(gong)業(ye)控(kong)製(zhi)係(xi)統(tong)信(xin)息(xi)安(an)全(quan)技(ji)術(shu)國(guo)家(jia)工(gong)程(cheng)實(shi)驗(yan)室(shi)、工控設備龍頭製造商、工控係統集成商、工控研究方向的科研院所和重點高校、國家和省級測評單位、發(fa)電(dian)集(ji)團(tuan)等(deng)。公(gong)司(si)先(xian)後(hou)成(cheng)為(wei)了(le)工(gong)業(ye)控(kong)製(zhi)安(an)全(quan)技(ji)術(shu)國(guo)家(jia)工(gong)程(cheng)實(shi)驗(yan)室(shi)理(li)事(shi)會(hui)理(li)事(shi),工(gong)業(ye)控(kong)製(zhi)係(xi)統(tong)信(xin)息(xi)安(an)全(quan)產(chan)業(ye)聯(lian)盟(meng)成(cheng)員(yuan)。為(wei)建(jian)立(li)我(wo)國(guo)自(zi)主(zhu)的(de)工(gong)控(kong)安(an)全(quan)防(fang)護(hu)體(ti)係(xi),提(ti)升(sheng)工(gong)控(kong)安(an)全(quan)核(he)心(xin)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)貢(gong)獻(xian)了(le)力(li)量(liang)。
記者:隨著去IOE化及國家智能製造的要求,國內工控安全係統廠商將麵臨哪些機會和挑戰?
胡總:當dang前qian的de工gong控kong安an全quan還hai是shi比bi較jiao嚴yan峻jun的de,之zhi前qian很hen多duo的de基ji礎chu設she施shi行xing業ye對dui自zi己ji的de認ren識shi不bu足zu,但dan是shi有you些xie行xing業ye做zuo得de還hai是shi很hen不bu錯cuo的de。像xiang電dian力li行xing業ye本ben來lai已yi經jing采cai取qu了le橫heng向xiang隔ge離li,縱zong向xiang加jia密mi,很hen多duo安an全quan措cuo施shi都dou已yi經jing有you自zi己ji的de規gui範fan和he標biao準zhun,還hai有you其qi他ta的de行xing業ye像xiang燃ran氣qi還hai有you石shi油you石shi化hua,在zai管guan理li規gui範fan上shang也ye有you很hen多duo的de措cuo施shi,比bi如ru說shuo移yi動dong媒mei介jie不bu能neng隨sui便bian使shi用yong,封feng閉bi網wang絡luo環huan境jing等deng。總zong的de來lai講jiang,我wo們men國guo家jia的de一yi些xie基ji礎chu設she施shi行xing業ye本ben身shen已yi經jing采cai取qu了le一yi些xie管guan理li防fang範fan措cuo施shi,好hao些xie行xing業ye對dui安an全quan的de意yi識shi正zheng在zai逐zhu步bu的de增zeng強qiang,對dui安an全quan的de需xu要yao越yue來lai越yue強qiang,越yue來lai越yue高gao。麵mian對dui“震網事件”、“烏克蘭電網事件”,大da家jia都dou意yi識shi到dao,如ru果guo我wo們men不bu對dui工gong控kong係xi統tong加jia以yi重zhong視shi,不bu去qu安an全quan加jia固gu,造zao成cheng的de後hou果guo就jiu是shi,某mou一yi個ge地di方fang的de基ji礎chu設she施shi發fa生sheng一yi次ci嚴yan重zhong的de網wang絡luo安an全quan事shi故gu之zhi後hou,造zao成cheng的de損sun失shi無wu論lun政zheng治zhi影ying響xiang亦yi或huo是shi經jing濟ji影ying響xiang都dou是shi巨ju大da的de,不bu可ke估gu量liang的de。從cong整zheng個ge市shi場chang的de投tou入ru來lai看kan,我wo國guo現xian在zai對dui工gong控kong網wang絡luo安an全quan這zhe塊kuai投tou入ru相xiang對dui較jiao少shao,一yi年nian隻zhi有you幾ji十shi億yi,還hai不bu到dao一yi百bai億yi的de投tou資zi,而er如ru果guo發fa生sheng一yi起qi安an全quan網wang絡luo事shi故gu,一yi個ge基ji礎chu設she施shi的de損sun失shi就jiu有you可ke能neng超chao過guo百bai億yi。所suo以yi說shuo,這zhe就jiu是shi我wo們men要yao加jia強qiang網wang絡luo基ji礎chu設she施shi安an全quan的de原yuan因yin。除chu了le經jing濟ji和he政zheng治zhi的de影ying響xiang因yin素su,最zui重zhong要yao的de還hai是shi人ren身shen安an全quan,對dui於yu控kong製zhi係xi統tong來lai講jiang,它ta的de最zui大da問wen題ti就jiu是shi會hui涉she及ji到dao人ren身shen安an全quan。穀gu神shen星xing作zuo為wei這zhe一yi行xing業ye的de領ling軍jun企qi業ye,也ye在zai積ji極ji地di與yu各ge個ge行xing業ye,政zheng府fu層ceng麵mian接jie洽qia,我wo們men已yi和he省sheng級ji的de信xin息xi安an全quan測ce評ping中zhong心xin進jin行xing合he作zuo,對dui關guan鍵jian的de企qi業ye進jin行xing檢jian查zha,並bing給gei出chu我wo們men的de解jie決jue方fang案an幫bang他ta們men去qu加jia固gu自zi己ji的de工gong控kong係xi統tong網wang絡luo安an全quan,為wei工gong控kong行xing業ye的de安an全quan貢gong獻xian自zi己ji的de力li量liang。
另外,IOE化對國內廠商,無論是做安全的也好,服務器的也好,操作係統的也好都是一次機會。同時,我們也需要認識到國外對安全的意識、shichangxingweiyijijishuxiangbiguoneihaishilingxiande,danshisuizheguowairencaidehuigui,yedaihuilaiyixiebijiaoxindelinianhejishu,zheshidegongkonganquanlingyudezhengtijishumenkantishenglebushao。gerenqianjian:中國的安全企業不能閉門造車,要經常去國外學習、交流、研究國外最新的技術,並根據中國工控企業的實際應用情況消化吸收,研發出先進、可靠的產品出來,迎接即將騰飛的中國工控安全行業的發展。