http://kadhoai.com.cn 2026-04-26 17:31:27 來源:澎湃新聞
導讀:日前在上海社科院舉辦的新智庫論壇上,德國國家科學工程院院士克裏斯托夫•梅內爾表示,智能化工廠是未來製造業發展趨勢,工業4.0通過將信息技術與生產整合,實現一個全新的智能商業模式。
談及製造業升級,“工業4.0”是時下的熱詞。作為傳統的製造業大國,德國是“工業4.0”這一概念的提出者,它寓意人類將迎來以信息物理融合係統(CPS)為基礎,以生產高度數字化、網絡化、機器自組織為標誌的第四次工業革命。
據澎湃新聞6日報道,4日在上海社科院舉辦的新智庫論壇上,德國國家科學工程院院士克裏斯托夫•梅內爾表示,智能化工廠是未來製造業發展趨勢,工業4.0通過將信息技術與生產整合,實現一個全新的智能商業模式。此外,他在接受采訪時還表示,中國在工業4.0時代大有可為。
近日,工業4.0之父梅內爾做客上海社科院以下為梅內爾演講的部分內容:
物聯網的發展
我們先來看看物聯網。物聯網比我年輕,25年(nian)前(qian),它(ta)開(kai)始(shi)為(wei)人(ren)們(men)所(suo)知(zhi)並(bing)改(gai)變(bian)我(wo)們(men)的(de)世(shi)界(jie)。物(wu)聯(lian)網(wang)不(bu)僅(jin)改(gai)變(bian)了(le)我(wo)們(men)溝(gou)通(tong)和(he)互(hu)動(dong)的(de)方(fang)式(shi),也(ye)改(gai)變(bian)了(le)管(guan)理(li)城(cheng)市(shi)和(he)企(qi)業(ye)的(de)方(fang)式(shi)。應(ying)該(gai)說(shuo),我(wo)們(men)現(xian)在(zai)還(hai)不(bu)能(neng)充(chong)分(fen)了(le)解(jie)信(xin)息(xi)技(ji)術(shu)的(de)發(fa)展(zhan)會(hui)對(dui)我(wo)們(men)未(wei)來(lai)的(de)生(sheng)活(huo)和(he)社(she)會(hui)組(zu)織(zhi)產(chan)生(sheng)什(shen)麼(me)影(ying)響(xiang),這(zhe)些(xie)影(ying)響(xiang)可(ke)能(neng)是(shi)超(chao)乎(hu)想(xiang)象(xiang)的(de)。有(you)了(le)物(wu)聯(lian)網(wang),我(wo)們(men)可(ke)以(yi)做(zuo)些(xie)什(shen)麼(me)?它(ta)可(ke)以(yi)讓(rang)我(wo)們(men)暢(chang)想(xiang)一(yi)個(ge)智(zhi)慧(hui)城(cheng)市(shi)——我們周遭的環境、家庭內部、城市的交通、街道都可以實現智能化,同時,生產流程,利用能源的方式,保護環境的方式等等都會因為信息技術而煥然一新。
數(shu)字(zi)世(shi)界(jie)帶(dai)來(lai)了(le)什(shen)麼(me)?數(shu)字(zi)世(shi)界(jie)實(shi)際(ji)上(shang)和(he)實(shi)體(ti)世(shi)界(jie)是(shi)相(xiang)互(hu)聯(lian)係(xi)的(de)。數(shu)字(zi)世(shi)界(jie)中(zhong)有(you)實(shi)體(ti)世(shi)界(jie)的(de)影(ying)子(zi),通(tong)過(guo)這(zhe)些(xie)影(ying)子(zi)我(wo)們(men)可(ke)以(yi)看(kan)到(dao),有(you)時(shi)他(ta)們(men)是(shi)相(xiang)互(hu)存(cun)在(zai)的(de),但(dan)有(you)時(shi)隻(zhi)能(neng)從(cong)虛(xu)擬(ni)的(de)數(shu)字(zi)世(shi)界(jie)中(zhong)看(kan)到(dao)部(bu)分(fen)實(shi)體(ti)世(shi)界(jie)。將(jiang)來(lai),我(wo)們(men)會(hui)看(kan)到(dao)一(yi)個(ge)更(geng)加(jia)豐(feng)富(fu)的(de)數(shu)字(zi)世(shi)界(jie),它(ta)能(neng)夠(gou)更(geng)加(jia)真(zhen)實(shi)地(di)反(fan)映(ying)出(chu)實(shi)體(ti)世(shi)界(jie)的(de)變(bian)化(hua)。
我(wo)們(men)知(zhi)道(dao),信(xin)息(xi)技(ji)術(shu)誕(dan)生(sheng)之(zhi)初(chu)是(shi)為(wei)了(le)用(yong)於(yu)一(yi)些(xie)研(yan)究(jiu)和(he)發(fa)展(zhan)項(xiang)目(mu),並(bing)不(bu)是(shi)用(yong)來(lai)改(gai)變(bian)我(wo)們(men)的(de)溝(gou)通(tong)方(fang)式(shi),但(dan)是(shi)人(ren)們(men)喜(xi)歡(huan)這(zhe)項(xiang)技(ji)術(shu),所(suo)以(yi)後(hou)來(lai)它(ta)不(bu)僅(jin)用(yong)來(lai)連(lian)接(jie)機(ji)器(qi),也(ye)應(ying)用(yong)於(yu)商(shang)業(ye)和(he)銀(yin)行(xing)體(ti)係(xi)中(zhong)。當(dang)然(ran)剛(gang)開(kai)始(shi)會(hui)存(cun)在(zai)很(hen)多(duo)缺(que)陷(xian),後(hou)來(lai)電(dian)腦(nao)科(ke)學(xue)家(jia)發(fa)明(ming)了(le)新(xin)一(yi)代(dai)互(hu)聯(lian)網(wang)協(xie)議(yi)——IPV6(互聯網協議版本6)。不管是版本4還是版本6,這樣新的技術可以讓我們的電腦和網絡係統互動,產生一個智能電網,一切都可以通過這個電網連接起來,進行互動。
為了幫助大家進一步理解,我來舉幾個例子。以“智能家居”為wei例li,通tong過guo信xin息xi技ji術shu,我wo們men日ri常chang的de家jia庭ting生sheng活huo的de很hen多duo方fang麵mian可ke以yi實shi現xian智zhi能neng化hua。例li如ru供gong暖nuan,目mu前qian供gong暖nuan主zhu要yao依yi靠kao機ji械xie裝zhuang置zhi,你ni需xu要yao手shou動dong來lai調tiao節jie溫wen度du,但dan是shi如ru果guo利li用yong了le信xin息xi技ji術shu和he感gan應ying器qi,供gong暖nuan設she備bei就jiu可ke以yi實shi現xian自zi動dong控kong溫wen。如ru果guo你ni不bu在zai家jia,溫wen度du就jiu會hui自zi動dong降jiang低di,如ru果guo係xi統tong知zhi道dao你ni快kuai要yao回hui家jia了le,供gong暖nuan設she備bei會hui重zhong新xin啟qi動dong。這zhe隻zhi是shi一yi個ge方fang麵mian,還hai有you各ge種zhong媒mei介jie的de使shi用yong,比bi如ru電dian視shi,收shou音yin機ji等deng等deng,智zhi能neng係xi統tong會hui記ji憶yi電dian視shi節jie目mu或huo是shi背bei景jing音yin樂le並bing能neng自zi動dong找zhao到dao你ni喜xi愛ai的de內nei容rong。根gen據ju你ni的de喜xi好hao,早zao上shang和he晚wan上shang播bo放fang的de音yin樂le是shi不bu一yi樣yang的de。另ling外wai,照zhao明ming係xi統tong也ye可ke以yi進jin行xing這zhe樣yang的de智zhi能neng控kong製zhi。
再來看“智能城市”,“智能家居”模(mo)式(shi)也(ye)可(ke)以(yi)在(zai)城(cheng)市(shi)街(jie)道(dao)實(shi)現(xian)。比(bi)如(ru)交(jiao)通(tong)係(xi)統(tong),公(gong)交(jiao)站(zhan)點(dian)可(ke)以(yi)和(he)公(gong)交(jiao)公(gong)司(si)總(zong)部(bu)連(lian)接(jie)起(qi)來(lai),當(dang)公(gong)交(jiao)車(che)站(zhan)有(you)很(hen)多(duo)人(ren)等(deng)候(hou)的(de)時(shi)候(hou),總(zong)部(bu)可(ke)以(yi)自(zi)動(dong)派(pai)下(xia)一(yi)班(ban)車(che)過(guo)去(qu)。現(xian)在(zai)我(wo)們(men)可(ke)能(neng)是(shi)每(mei)隔(ge)10分鍾或者20fenzhongfayibanche,weilaikeyiwanquananzhaorenmendexuyaojinxingfache。yaoshixianzhexie,suoxuyaozuodejiushijiangjiaotongxitongdegegehuanjiedoulianjieqilai,wanquankaozhinengxitongzhangwochengkedexuqiu。
還有“智能工業”,gongchangdeshengchanliuchengyekeyigaoduzhinenghua。zhinenghuadegongchangwanquankeyiyouwulianwanglaijiayikongzhi,yejiushishuo,shengchanliuchengwanquanyoudiannaolaijiayizhenghe。shishideshengchanjiankongchengxuzhidaoxuyaozenyangdexincailiao,zenyangdegongxulaiquebaoshengchanliuchengshunlijinxing。zhegebushijiandandeshengchanzidonghuadewenti,ershishixianzhinengdekongzhi,ruguoxitongjiancedaoshengchanliuchengzhongturanchuxianguzhangdehua,jiqihuizidongzantingyunzuo,ziwoxiufu,erbushijixuyunxing,buduanshengchancancipin。suoyitongguoxinxijishu,womenkeyibaozhengduinengyuanzuiyouxiaodeliyong,zhexiedoushijianglaizhinenghuagongchangsuoyingjubeidetedian。
wulianwangtixianleyizhongquanmiande,zhengtixingdefazhanguannian,zhezhongquanjudefazhanguanshiwomenshenghuodegegefangmianbiandegengyouxiao,genggaokeji,genghuanbao,tongshizaishehuiyiyishangyegengbaorong。womenkeyizaixuduofangmianshixianzhinenghua,baokuozhinenghuajingji,zhinenghuashengchan、智能化工廠、智能化生活、智能化家居、智能化的交通、智能化物流、智能化供應鏈、智能化治理、智能化環境等等。
zhinenghuagongchangyiweizheshenmene?shouxiangezhongshujuxuyaojinxingzhenghe。bifangshuo,yigexiaoxiaodeshoujilihenduoganyingqi,zhexieganyingqihuichanshengchugezhongshuju。guoqu,zheleishujudoushiyaochucundaoshujukuzhongbingjinxingjiegouhuachuli,danshixianzaiwomenkeyikandao,suoyoudeshujudoushizidongcunchuzaidashujukudangzhong,zhegedashujukushimeiyoujiayijiegouhuade,meiyouanzhaomouzhongfangshijinxingfenlei,zheshidashujudeyigefangmian,tahezhinenghuajishumiqiexiangguan。suoyishouxianyaozhengheshengchanguochengzhongchanshengdesuoyoushuju,ranhouduizhexieshujujinxingfenxi,zhexieshujufenxinenggouquebaozhenggeshengchanliuchengzhengqueyunxing,ruguofashengguzhangzezidongfachujinggao。
智zhi能neng化hua工gong廠chang需xu要yao做zuo的de是shi,它ta的de生sheng產chan流liu程cheng要yao基ji於yu信xin息xi技ji術shu係xi統tong進jin行xing運yun作zuo和he控kong製zhi,從cong而er發fa現xian生sheng產chan過guo程cheng中zhong的de需xu求qiu。信xin息xi技ji術shu係xi統tong產chan生sheng的de是shi數shu字zi化hua數shu據ju,但dan這zhe些xie數shu據ju能neng夠gou影ying響xiang生sheng產chan流liu程cheng,這zhe個ge過guo程cheng中zhong又you會hui產chan生sheng新xin的de數shu據ju,反fan饋kui到dao信xin息xi技ji術shu係xi統tong。所suo以yi兩liang者zhe之zhi間jian不bu斷duan地di進jin行xing相xiang互hu反fan饋kui,這zhe使shi得de整zheng個ge生sheng產chan流liu程cheng變bian得de極ji其qi高gao效xiao。
信xin息xi技ji術shu係xi統tong也ye可ke以yi把ba不bu同tong的de工gong廠chang連lian接jie起qi來lai。比bi如ru一yi家jia工gong廠chang在zai進jin行xing生sheng產chan的de時shi候hou,某mou種zhong原yuan料liao用yong完wan了le,它ta的de供gong應ying商shang會hui自zi動dong獲huo取qu信xin息xi,及ji時shi提ti供gong原yuan料liao,因yin此ci整zheng個ge生sheng產chan係xi統tong也ye不bu會hui因yin為wei原yuan料liao不bu足zu而er停ting止zhi運yun作zuo。這zhe種zhong將jiang信xin息xi技ji術shu和he生sheng產chan結jie合he的de方fang式shi,可ke以yi催cui生sheng出chu一yi些xie新xin型xing的de、智能化的商業模式。
從德國汽車製造看工業4.0
我們曾經經曆過工業1.0時代,那個時候人們借助蒸汽機進行生產,這就是最初的工業化,近100年之後,到了1870年,原來零星的生產改變成為批量的生產。在1960niandai,womenyoukandaoleyigexindeqidian,renmenliyongzaoqidediannaoshixianzidonghua,xianzaiwomenkandaodeshiyigexuniwangluohewuliwangluozhenghedexitong,zhejiushigongye4.0時代,這個時代才剛剛開始,毫無疑問它會將我們引向更輝煌的未來。
我們以德國的汽車製造業為例,來進一步了解工業4.0。womenzhidao,yitaiqicheyouhenduolingbujian,shijishangzaixindeshidai,meigelingjiandoukeyizidongshengchenghenduoshuju,zhexieshujukeyigaosurenmenlingbujianshifouzaizhengchanggongzuo,qicheshengchanshangkeyitongguojiancezhexieshujulailejielingbujiandegongzuoqingkuang,ruguofaxianyichang,zekeyitiqianjinxingtihuan,shengchangshangkehuijishibaxiangguandelingbujiansongdaomoujiaqixiudian。yinweichangshangzaishishibuzhuoshuju,suoyitazhidaoqichejulinayijiaqixiuchangzuijin。woxiang,haowuyiwen,zheyangdeqichechangnenggourangwomenkandaozaiweilaide4.0時代,虛擬網絡和物理網絡的結合會怎樣改善我們的生活。
關於工業4.0,zaizhelilianggefeichangzhongyaodefangmian,diyigefangmianwoxianghenduoshehuikexueyanjiuzhehuihenganxingqu,najiushiwomenlaodongfengonghezhuanyehua。zhebujinshizhenduilaodongzheeryan,yezhenduiqiye。zheyeshideguoqicheyechenggongdeyuanyin,yinweizaizheyangyigedahuanjingzhong,gegegongchangwangwangdoushigaoduzhuanyehuamouxielingbujiandeshengchanzhe,tamenyifeichanggaoxiaodefangshihudong。
另(ling)一(yi)個(ge)方(fang)麵(mian)就(jiu)是(shi)數(shu)字(zi)化(hua)。數(shu)字(zi)化(hua)使(shi)得(de)笨(ben)拙(zhuo)的(de)機(ji)器(qi)利(li)用(yong)計(ji)算(suan)機(ji)進(jin)行(xing)智(zhi)能(neng)化(hua)工(gong)作(zuo),這(zhe)就(jiu)是(shi)未(wei)來(lai)存(cun)在(zai)的(de)潛(qian)力(li)。我(wo)們(men)需(xu)要(yao)克(ke)服(fu)什(shen)麼(me)挑(tiao)戰(zhan)呢(ne)?首(shou)先(xian),我(wo)們(men)未(wei)來(lai)的(de)水(shui)平(ping)整(zheng)合(he)將(jiang)會(hui)進(jin)一(yi)步(bu)深(shen)化(hua),也(ye)就(jiu)是(shi)說(shuo)在(zai)整(zheng)個(ge)價(jia)值(zhi)鏈(lian)上(shang),生(sheng)產(chan)商(shang)可(ke)以(yi)通(tong)過(guo)這(zhe)種(zhong)基(ji)於(yu)互(hu)聯(lian)網(wang)技(ji)術(shu)的(de)係(xi)統(tong)開(kai)展(zhan)更(geng)好(hao)的(de)協(xie)作(zuo)。另(ling)一(yi)方(fang)麵(mian),在(zai)生(sheng)產(chan)係(xi)統(tong)內(nei),我(wo)們(men)看(kan)到(dao)更(geng)多(duo)的(de)垂(chui)直(zhi)整(zheng)合(he) (產業鏈整合),為什麼呢?因為每一個部分最後生成的數據,都可以使這些部分進行深度整合。我們前麵講到汽車零部件隨時生成數據、生sheng成cheng信xin號hao,這zhe就jiu使shi得de產chan品pin一yi直zhi處chu於yu一yi個ge不bu間jian斷duan的de生sheng命ming周zhou期qi。以yi前qian,一yi個ge產chan品pin進jin入ru市shi場chang後hou幾ji乎hu不bu在zai生sheng產chan商shang的de控kong製zhi範fan圍wei內nei,以yi後hou,產chan品pin會hui永yong遠yuan在zai生sheng產chan商shang的de控kong製zhi過guo程cheng當dang中zhong,生sheng產chan者zhe可ke以yi隨sui時shi得de到dao反fan饋kui,知zhi道dao該gai怎zen樣yang進jin行xing設she置zhi,這zhe對dui改gai善shan服fu務wu是shi非fei常chang有you利li的de。
德國怎樣發展工業4.0
weishenmedeguoduizheyangdexinxijishuheshitishengchanjieheganxingqune?deguoyoufeichangfadadezhizaoye,zhenggezhizaoyedechanzhishifeichangdade,zheshideguoheqitajingjitibutongdedifang,youyixieguojiagengduoyikaojinrongxingye,tamenzhenggeshengchandewendingxinghuozhezhenggejingjidewendingxingburuwomen。erqiewomenzoudeshiyigezhizaoyedaguodedaolu,xianzaizhongguohewomenhaishibijiaoxiangde,yeshigaoduzhongshizhizaoye,henduojingjidezengzhibufendoushizaizhizaoyebumen。womendezhizaoyebunengyichengbubian,womenxuyaotishengzhizaoyedexiaolv,rangchengbengengjiadilian,suoyixuyaoduiqijinxingxinxihuagaizao,這就是我們為什麼重視工業4.0的原因。
德國的製造商和一些研發機構、大(da)學(xue)的(de)團(tuan)隊(dui)正(zheng)在(zai)開(kai)展(zhan)合(he)作(zuo),我(wo)們(men)專(zhuan)門(men)建(jian)立(li)了(le)一(yi)個(ge)研(yan)究(jiu)聯(lian)合(he)會(hui),各(ge)方(fang)在(zai)這(zhe)個(ge)平(ping)台(tai)進(jin)行(xing)分(fen)工(gong),進(jin)行(xing)相(xiang)關(guan)實(shi)驗(yan),模(mo)塊(kuai)製(zhi)造(zao),產(chan)品(pin)加(jia)工(gong)等(deng)。比(bi)如(ru)戴(dai)姆(mu)勒(le)公(gong)司(si)就(jiu)和(he)一(yi)些(xie)大(da)學(xue)在(zai)這(zhe)個(ge)平(ping)台(tai)上(shang)開(kai)展(zhan)合(he)作(zuo)。聯(lian)合(he)會(hui)還(hai)會(hui)關(guan)注(zhu)環(huan)境(jing),研(yan)究(jiu)有(you)關(guan)環(huan)境(jing)保(bao)護(hu)的(de)方(fang)案(an)。聯(lian)合(he)會(hui)還(hai)有(you)一(yi)個(ge)小(xiao)組(zu)專(zhuan)門(men)研(yan)究(jiu)新(xin)的(de)技(ji)術(shu)、新(xin)的(de)生(sheng)產(chan)方(fang)式(shi)的(de)改(gai)變(bian)會(hui)怎(zen)樣(yang)影(ying)響(xiang)人(ren)類(lei)的(de)工(gong)作(zuo)。這(zhe)一(yi)點(dian)非(fei)常(chang)重(zhong)要(yao),在(zai)德(de)國(guo),政(zheng)府(fu)和(he)學(xue)者(zhe)非(fei)常(chang)謹(jin)慎(shen),一(yi)開(kai)始(shi)就(jiu)強(qiang)調(tiao)一(yi)定(ding)要(yao)讓(rang)工(gong)會(hui)參(can)與(yu)其(qi)中(zhong),為(wei)什(shen)麼(me)呢(ne)?工(gong)業(ye)4.0用了很多信息科技技術,這毫無疑問會重塑整個生產流程,工人們就會受到影響。大家都知道,在工業1.0時shi代dai發fa生sheng過guo工gong人ren搗dao毀hui機ji械xie的de事shi件jian,為wei什shen麼me呢ne?因yin為wei他ta們men覺jiao得de這zhe些xie機ji械xie奪duo走zou了le他ta們men的de飯fan碗wan。現xian在zai的de情qing況kuang是shi類lei似si的de,信xin息xi技ji術shu可ke能neng會hui讓rang員yuan工gong丟diu掉diao工gong作zuo,所suo以yi在zai這zhe種zhong擔dan心xin下xia,他ta們men會hui不bu配pei合he甚shen至zhi進jin行xing破po壞huai。我wo們men需xu要yao和he他ta們men討tao論lun,告gao訴su他ta們men未wei來lai整zheng個ge工gong作zuo環huan境jing是shi怎zen麼me組zu織zhi的de,希xi望wang他ta們men來lai參can與yu進jin去qu,最zui終zhong讓rang科ke技ji來lai改gai善shan他ta們men的de生sheng活huo,而er不bu是shi讓rang他ta們men的de處chu境jing變bian得de更geng糟zao。
記者對話梅內爾:中國發展工業4.0大有機會
記者:最近,工業4.0概念在中國也非常熱,李克強總理將其視為中國德技術合作的核心。作為發展水平存在差距的兩個國家,中德在工業4.0方麵的合作應該在哪些領域展開?
梅內爾:我認為現在最重要是考慮朝著什麼方向發展。工業4.0代表了這樣一種願景:如ru果guo把ba生sheng產chan流liu程cheng中zhong的de不bu同tong實shi體ti聯lian係xi起qi來lai,這zhe些xie不bu同tong的de實shi體ti會hui提ti高gao效xiao率lv和he產chan品pin質zhi量liang,並bing且qie更geng容rong易yi設she計ji出chu個ge性xing化hua的de產chan品pin。但dan實shi現xian這zhe一yi願yuan景jing還hai有you很hen長chang的de路lu要yao走zou。在zai德de國guo,我wo們men從cong試shi點dian項xiang目mu開kai始shi,一yi些xie公gong司si與yu世shi界jie各ge地di的de研yan究jiu人ren員yuan展zhan開kai合he作zuo。中zhong國guo的de公gong司si也ye可ke以yi從cong試shi點dian項xiang目mu開kai始shi,這zhe些xie項xiang目mu應ying該gai得de到dao政zheng府fu和he科ke研yan機ji構gou的de支zhi持chi。
德國大概在10年前就開始討論工業4.0這zhe個ge概gai念nian了le,我wo們men知zhi道dao未wei來lai的de發fa展zhan方fang向xiang就jiu是shi讓rang工gong業ye企qi業ye與yu研yan究jiu部bu門men合he作zuo,從cong而er實shi現xian這zhe一yi目mu標biao。所suo以yi中zhong國guo可ke以yi選xuan擇ze一yi些xie有you誌zhi於yu創chuang新xin的de企qi業ye與yu大da學xue進jin行xing合he作zuo。我wo知zhi道dao中zhong國guo很hen多duo高gao校xiao正zheng在zai參can與yu智zhi慧hui城cheng市shi的de研yan究jiu。其qi實shi智zhi慧hui城cheng市shi從cong某mou種zhong程cheng度du上shang說shuo與yu工gong業ye4.0類似,所以如果政府願意提供支持,我認為中國發展工業4.0大有機會。
記者:德國的信息技術與美國相比有什麼優勢和劣勢?
梅內爾:美(mei)國(guo)的(de)矽(gui)穀(gu)在(zai)信(xin)息(xi)技(ji)術(shu)方(fang)麵(mian)非(fei)常(chang)強(qiang)大(da)。許(xu)多(duo)知(zhi)名(ming)信(xin)息(xi)技(ji)術(shu)公(gong)司(si)都(dou)在(zai)矽(gui)穀(gu)創(chuang)立(li)。矽(gui)穀(gu)是(shi)一(yi)個(ge)強(qiang)大(da)的(de)數(shu)字(zi)世(shi)界(jie)。德(de)國(guo)在(zai)這(zhe)方(fang)麵(mian)並(bing)不(bu)是(shi)很(hen)強(qiang)。我(wo)們(men)有(you)SAP這zhe樣yang的de世shi界jie軟ruan件jian巨ju頭tou,但dan並bing沒mei有you美mei國guo那na麼me多duo。但dan是shi德de國guo的de製zhi造zao業ye很hen強qiang,比bi如ru我wo們men的de汽qi車che工gong業ye,所suo以yi德de國guo有you很hen多duo機ji器qi製zhi造zao商shang。我wo們men會hui學xue習xi矽gui穀gu的de信xin息xi技ji術shu,但dan同tong時shi我wo們men會hui專zhuan注zhu於yu我wo們men的de強qiang項xiang——製zhi造zao業ye,致zhi力li於yu研yan究jiu如ru何he把ba我wo們men的de製zhi造zao業ye帶dai向xiang未wei來lai。這zhe就jiu需xu要yao將jiang製zhi造zao業ye與yu信xin息xi技ji術shu融rong合he。德de國guo在zai嵌qian入ru式shi係xi統tong領ling域yu比bi美mei國guo有you優you勢shi。它ta的de原yuan理li就jiu是shi將jiang電dian子zi芯xin片pian植zhi入ru機ji器qi,汽qi車che等deng等deng各ge種zhong裝zhuang置zhi中zhong,這zhe是shi工gong業ye4.0發展的第一步。
記者:人與機器是一種怎樣的關係?機器會不會脫離人,甚至反過來控製人?
梅內爾:naxiecongshidanyizhongfulaodongderenhuibeijiqidaiti,nidegongzuoyuefuza,nibeijiqidaitidekenengxingjiuyuexiao。wokeyikendingdeshi,renmensuoyaozuodegongzuozhengzaifashengbianhua。biruouzhoulaolinghuawentihenyanzhong,zhaogulaorendegongzuobukenengrangjiqilaiwancheng,suoyiyexuweilaiyuelaiyueduocongshigongyeshengchanderenhuicongshishehuifuwufangmiandegongzuo。