中國經濟50人論壇2008年年會於2008年2月2日下午,在北京釣魚台國賓館隆重開幕。今年年會的主題是“世界經濟展望與中國麵對的重大問題”。新浪財經獨家網絡直播本次盛會。以下為論壇學術委員會成員、中國改革基金會國民經濟研究所所長樊綱與新浪的對話。
主持人:樊綱老師認為這一次新浪網和50人經濟論壇達成協議,50人經濟論壇是看重了新浪網的什麼呢?
樊綱:我想還是,當然是新浪網受眾範圍廣,而且是新媒體,這個網絡的優勢吧!50人(ren)論(lun)壇(tan)這(zhe)些(xie)專(zhuan)家(jia)都(dou)做(zuo)了(le)很(hen)多(duo)的(de)研(yan)究(jiu),那(na)麼(me)長(chang)安(an)講(jiang)壇(tan)原(yuan)來(lai)就(jiu)是(shi)一(yi)個(ge)麵(mian)對(dui)公(gong)眾(zhong)的(de),一(yi)個(ge)公(gong)眾(zhong)講(jiang)壇(tan),參(can)加(jia)者(zhe)都(dou)是(shi)免(mian)費(fei)的(de)這(zhe)樣(yang)一(yi)個(ge)公(gong)眾(zhong)講(jiang)壇(tan),想(xiang)法(fa)就(jiu)是(shi)把(ba)這(zhe)些(xie)經(jing)濟(ji)學(xue)的(de)知(zhi)識(shi),把(ba)這(zhe)些(xie)經(jing)濟(ji)學(xue)家(jia)所(suo)研(yan)究(jiu)的(de)成(cheng)果(guo)更(geng)多(duo)的(de)向(xiang)社(she)會(hui)介(jie)紹(shao),那(na)當(dang)中(zhong)有(you)一(yi)些(xie)是(shi)媒(mei)體(ti)的(de)記(ji)者(zhe)、編(bian)輯(ji),參(can)加(jia)這(zhe)個(ge)活(huo)動(dong),但(dan)是(shi)畢(bi)竟(jing)局(ju)限(xian)性(xing)還(hai)是(shi)大(da)了(le)點(dian),想(xiang)通(tong)過(guo)跟(gen)新(xin)浪(lang)網(wang)這(zhe)樣(yang)一(yi)個(ge)大(da)的(de)媒(mei)體(ti)網(wang)絡(luo)合(he)作(zuo),可(ke)以(yi)使(shi)更(geng)多(duo)的(de)人(ren)知(zhi)道(dao),這(zhe)些(xie)研(yan)究(jiu)成(cheng)果(guo),這(zhe)些(xie)觀(guan)點(dian),特(te)別(bie)是(shi)對(dui)一(yi)些(xie)大(da)家(jia)所(suo)關(guan)心(xin)的(de)問(wen)題(ti)的(de)比(bi)較(jiao)係(xi)統(tong)性(xing)的(de)分(fen)析(xi),有(you)的(de)時(shi)候(hou)網(wang)上(shang)是(shi)一(yi)些(xie)隻(zhi)言(yan)片(pian)語(yu),往(wang)往(wang)抓(zhua)住(zhu)一(yi)些(xie)極(ji)端(duan)的(de)東(dong)西(xi),但(dan)是(shi)缺(que)一(yi)些(xie)係(xi)統(tong)性(xing)的(de)分(fen)析(xi),那(na)麼(me)在(zai)長(chang)安(an)講(jiang)壇(tan)做(zuo)的(de)都(dou)是(shi)係(xi)統(tong)性(xing)的(de)分(fen)析(xi),都(dou)是(shi)對(dui)一(yi)方(fang)麵(mian)的(de)問(wen)題(ti)經(jing)過(guo)研(yan)究(jiu),經(jing)過(guo)深(shen)入(ru)的(de)長(chang)期(qi)的(de)研(yan)究(jiu),展(zhan)現(xian)給(gei)聽(ting)眾(zhong),展(zhan)現(xian)給(gei)讀(du)者(zhe)這(zhe)樣(yang)的(de)一(yi)種(zhong)係(xi)統(tong)性(xing)的(de)分(fen)析(xi),這(zhe)也(ye)是(shi)我(wo)們(men)媒(mei)體(ti)現(xian)在(zai)所(suo)需(xu)要(yao)的(de),也(ye)是(shi)我(wo)們(men)公(gong)眾(zhong)對(dui)關(guan)心(xin)這(zhe)些(xie)問(wen)題(ti)的(de)公(gong)眾(zhong)所(suo)需(xu)要(yao)的(de),通(tong)過(guo)這(zhe)樣(yang)一(yi)個(ge)合(he)作(zuo),我(wo)想(xiang)通(tong)過(guo)新(xin)浪(lang)網(wang)直(zhi)播(bo)的(de)形(xing)式(shi),大(da)概(gai)是(shi)直(zhi)播(bo)的(de)形(xing)式(shi)吧(ba),使(shi)大(da)家(jia)能(neng)夠(gou)更(geng)係(xi)統(tong)的(de)了(le)解(jie)我(wo)們(men)現(xian)在(zai)麵(mian)臨(lin)的(de)各(ge)種(zhong)經(jing)濟(ji)問(wen)題(ti)。
主持人:tidaodangqiandehongguantiaokongzhengce,womenzhidaoxianzaihuobizhengceshiyigecongjindetiaokongdejitiao,nadangqianmianduiguoneidexuezaihaiyouguojizibenshichangdenaxieweiji,ninjiaodedangqiandehuobizhengceyoumeiyouzuoyixieweitiaone?
樊綱:這zhe一yi塊kuai我wo首shou先xian要yao解jie釋shi一yi個ge問wen題ti,就jiu是shi什shen麼me呢ne?宏hong觀guan政zheng策ce特te別bie是shi貨huo幣bi政zheng策ce從cong來lai就jiu是shi短duan期qi政zheng策ce。什shen麼me意yi思si呢ne?什shen麼me叫jiao短duan期qi呢ne?就jiu是shi說shuo是shi根gen據ju總zong供gong求qiu關guan係xi的de變bian化hua而er不bu斷duan的de要yao進jin行xing調tiao整zheng的de,朝chao著zhe這zhe個ge方fang向xiang調tiao,朝chao那na個ge方fang向xiang調tiao,不bu僅jin是shi我wo們men中zhong國guo的de政zheng策ce是shi這zhe樣yang,美mei國guo的de政zheng策ce也ye是shi這zhe樣yang,美mei聯lian儲chu前qian些xie天tian還hai在zai升sheng息xi,現xian在zai大da規gui模mo又you降jiang息xi,也ye許xu過guo兩liang天tian情qing況kuang變bian化hua又you升sheng息xi了le,就jiu是shi說shuo這zhe是shi一yi個ge相xiang機ji抉jue擇ze的de事shi情qing,它ta不bu是shi一yi個ge一yi成cheng不bu變bian的de事shi情qing,過guo去qu我wo們men長chang期qi的de基ji本ben的de方fang向xiang是shi穩wen定ding的de一yi種zhong政zheng策ce,但dan是shi在zai這zhe當dang中zhong也ye是shi不bu斷duan的de發fa生sheng變bian化hua,也ye是shi經jing常chang的de會hui根gen據ju供gong求qiu關guan係xi的de變bian化hua而er逐zhu步bu的de調tiao整zheng的de,那na麼me目mu的de是shi什shen麼me?目mu的de是shi為wei了le中zhong國guo經jing濟ji平ping穩wen的de發fa展zhan,目mu的de不bu是shi為wei了le把ba經jing濟ji搞gao死si,更geng不bu是shi搞gao出chu一yi個ge泡pao沫mo來lai,而er是shi為wei了le讓rang它ta減jian少shao波bo動dong,能neng夠gou穩wen定ding發fa展zhan,因yin此ci我wo個ge人ren相xiang信xin,決jue策ce當dang局ju會hui根gen據ju情qing況kuang的de不bu斷duan變bian化hua,也ye許xu是shi這zhe麼me變bian化hua,也ye許xu還hai那na麼me變bian化hua,來lai調tiao整zheng我wo們men的de宏hong觀guan經jing濟ji政zheng策ce。
在zai這zhe一yi塊kuai兒er我wo倒dao要yao說shuo,我wo們men現xian在zai是shi遇yu到dao了le一yi些xie新xin的de問wen題ti,但dan是shi也ye沒mei有you必bi要yao恐kong慌huang,美mei國guo次ci按an危wei機ji很hen大da,對dui美mei國guo經jing濟ji的de影ying響xiang非fei常chang大da,但dan是shi對dui我wo們men的de問wen題ti有you多duo大da,影ying響xiang有you多duo大da,我wo們men也ye要yao具ju體ti分fen析xi,對dui美mei國guo的de出chu口kou當dang然ran要yao下xia降jiang,但dan是shi對dui美mei國guo的de出chu口kou現xian在zai已yi經jing占zhan到dao了le我wo們men總zong出chu口kou的de20%以下,它如果經濟下滑1個百分點,最多也就是影響對美國的出口下降5到6gebaifendian,duiwomendeyingxiangyebushitebieda。oumengkenengjingjiyehuiyousuoxiahua,yinweimeiguodedaidong,danshiwomenduiouyuanhaibianzhile,yincixianzaiduiouyuandechukouchengzengchangdetaishi,ribenyekenengxiajiang,danshiribenxiajiangdefuduzaiyazhou,taxianzaiduiyazhoudeyilaifeichangda,womenzhongguoduiyazhouchukoudeyilaiyeshizhandaolewomenquanbuchukoude40%以(yi)上(shang),那(na)麼(me)如(ru)果(guo)這(zhe)些(xie)地(di)區(qu)基(ji)本(ben)都(dou)還(hai)不(bu)會(hui)出(chu)現(xian)大(da)的(de)下(xia)滑(hua)的(de)話(hua),我(wo)們(men)這(zhe)些(xie)市(shi)場(chang)基(ji)本(ben)還(hai)是(shi)有(you)保(bao)證(zheng)的(de),還(hai)有(you)那(na)些(xie)石(shi)油(you)輸(shu)出(chu)國(guo)組(zu)織(zhi)正(zheng)是(shi)我(wo)們(men)出(chu)口(kou)市(shi)場(chang)大(da)幅(fu)度(du)增(zeng)長(chang)的(de)這(zhe)種(zhong)情(qing)況(kuang),所(suo)以(yi)我(wo)說(shuo)也(ye)不(bu)必(bi)“見風說雨”,womendeshichangwangwangyouyixiexintai,meiguonabianzenmeyangle,xianggangzenmeyangle,womenyejiu,dajiajiutaopaoyiyangde,yemeibiyao,najiaofanyingguodu,xuyaorenzhendefenxiwomendeqingkuang,erqiewomenshishuyujiaozuoxinxingshichangguojia,zhexiezailaopaishichangguojialimianchuxianjinrongweijile,henduozijinyekenenggengduodeshiliuxiangwomen,zhexieyexujinrongzijintamennabianshaole,danshihenduofeizhengquanxingdezijin,xiangzhijietouzi,nazhongguquantouzi,simujijin,naxieshouzhexieyingxiangbutaidadejijinzainabiandetouzijihuishaole,kenenggenduodeyongxiangwomen,meiyuanjinyibubianzhile,meiyuandelilvjinyibuxiatiaole,kenengreqianjinyibuyongxiangwomen,suoyihenfuza。womengenmeiguojingjijinmiguanxiyuelaiyueqiang,danshizhegeyingxiangdequdaoyeshiduofangmiande,yingxiangdefangshiyeshiduofangmiande,dangranwomenyaojingtimeiguojingjixiahuaduiwomendailaidefumianyingxiang,danshiduizhexiefumianyingxiangwomenyeyaokandao,haiyouqitadeyixiehenfuzadeyingxiang,naduiwomenzhenggezongtishangdeyingxiangyeshiyigehenfuzadexianxiang,bubitingfengshiyu,yeyaozuoyixiekeguandefenxi。
至zhi於yu說shuo到dao我wo們men現xian在zai麵mian臨lin的de困kun難nan,我wo想xiang確que實shi是shi很hen大da的de困kun難nan,對dui當dang地di的de居ju民min造zao成cheng了le很hen大da的de痛tong苦ku,但dan是shi從cong另ling一yi個ge角jiao度du來lai講jiang這zhe也ye是shi局ju部bu的de,也ye是shi短duan暫zan的de,對dui於yu全quan年nian的de經jing濟ji來lai講jiang也ye是shi短duan暫zan的de,而er且qie應ying該gai說shuo,它ta本ben身shen就jiu會hui刺ci激ji一yi些xie投tou資zi,你ni比bi如ru說shuo對dui那na些xie電dian網wang的de改gai建jian,對dui我wo們men煤mei和he電dian的de生sheng產chan,本ben身shen還hai會hui有you一yi定ding的de刺ci激ji作zuo用yong。所suo以yi也ye不bu像xiang市shi場chang上shang有you些xie人ren說shuo的de,就jiu好hao象xiang是shi,這zhe個ge是shi多duo麼me大da的de,對duiGDPchanshengduomedadeyingxiangyiyang,wowanquanbufouding,ruguochuxianyingxiang,woxiangxinyouguanjuecededangjuhuizuochuxiangyingdefanying,zhezhengxiangjiuzaibenshenshiyaoquanliyifudedaolishiyiyangde,danshiwoyexiangshuodejiushi,womendeshichangyehao,womendetouzizheyehao,womenduijingjifenxidezongtiqushilaijiangyehao,zhongguojingjirengranshiyigewendinggaosuzengchang,benshendeshichangjiuzhichenglehendadezengchang,erqieduiwaijingjidelianxiyoushiduofangmiande,youshiguangfande,erqiezhegeqingkuangyeshibuyiyangde,zhongguojingjizhemeda,gezhonggeyangdekunnanmeiniandouhuiyou,danshizongtilaijianghaishiyigewendinggaozengchangdeyigeshitou。
主持人:中(zhong)國(guo)現(xian)在(zai)進(jin)入(ru)了(le)加(jia)息(xi)的(de)通(tong)道(dao),美(mei)國(guo)現(xian)在(zai)又(you)持(chi)續(xu)的(de)幾(ji)次(ci)降(jiang)息(xi),那(na)麼(me)中(zhong)美(mei)彙(hui)率(lv)出(chu)現(xian)一(yi)個(ge)倒(dao)掛(gua)的(de)現(xian)象(xiang),您(nin)覺(jiao)得(de)這(zhe)是(shi)否(fou)會(hui)給(gei)中(zhong)國(guo)人(ren)民(min)幣(bi)的(de)升(sheng)值(zhi)帶(dai)來(lai)更(geng)大(da)的(de)壓(ya)力(li),人(ren)民(min)幣(bi)升(sheng)值(zhi)升(sheng)到(dao)什(shen)麼(me)地(di)方(fang)您(nin)覺(jiao)得(de)是(shi)個(ge)頂(ding)點(dian)呢(ne)?
樊綱:zhegemeiyoupinglun,zheyoujuecezhemenlaifenxi,laidingdewenti,zhiyushuorenminbi,renminbideshengzhitashiyigejingjiguanxibianhuadejieguo,yifangmianyouwomendezhefangmiandejingjideshilidebianhua,womendeshengchanlvdetigao,womenzhexienianxiaolvdegaijin,gaigekaifangyihouwomenjishudejinbudengdeng,zhexiedoushishengchanlvzaibuduandetigao,shengchanlvzaibuduantigao,jiuxiangdangyunizhegeguojiazhexiedongxijiugengzhiqianle,nidenenglijiugengqiangle,yincijingjifazhandaoleyidingdejieduan,meigeguojiadouyouyigeshengzhideguocheng。
另ling一yi方fang麵mian,你ni想xiang一yi想xiang,一yi個ge彙hui率lv是shi兩liang種zhong貨huo幣bi的de比bi例li關guan係xi,有you我wo們men這zhe邊bian人ren民min幣bi後hou麵mian的de這zhe些xie經jing濟ji關guan係xi,經jing濟ji因yin素su的de影ying響xiang,還hai有you那na邊bian美mei元yuan的de後hou麵mian的de這zhe些xie經jing濟ji因yin素su的de影ying響xiang,如ru果guo美mei元yuan不bu斷duan在zai貶bian值zhi,你ni說shuo我wo們men什shen麼me時shi候hou是shi個ge頭tou?你ni到dao頭tou了le他ta不bu到dao頭tou,你ni說shuo什shen麼me時shi候hou到dao頭tou,所suo以yi現xian在zai老lao有you人ren說shuo,我wo們men是shi不bu是shi人ren民min幣bi升sheng值zhi,大da幅fu度du升sheng值zhi就jiu可ke以yi到dao了le一yi次ci性xing解jie決jue問wen題ti到dao了le什shen麼me均jun衡heng點dian,你ni怎zen麼me知zhi道dao一yi次ci就jiu解jie決jue了le問wen題ti,你ni怎zen麼me知zhi道dao那na是shi均jun衡heng點dian,那na個ge均jun衡heng點dian美mei元yuan不bu斷duan貶bian值zhi,今jin年nian貶bian那na麼me多duo,明ming年nian貶bian那na麼me多duo,後hou年nian再zai貶bian那na麼me多duo,你ni怎zen麼me知zhi道dao你ni一yi次ci性xing能neng解jie決jue問wen題ti,你ni解jie決jue不bu了le問wen題ti,所suo以yi正zheng是shi從cong這zhe個ge角jiao度du來lai講jiang,不bu是shi我wo們men一yi方fang麵mian的de問wen題ti,它ta是shi多duo方fang麵mian的de問wen題ti,它ta是shi整zheng個ge世shi界jie經jing濟ji格ge局ju,經jing濟ji關guan係xi變bian化hua的de這zhe個ge問wen題ti,往wang往wang更geng多duo的de是shi因yin為wei美mei元yuan貶bian值zhi導dao致zhi的de彙hui率lv變bian化hua,而er不bu是shi我wo們men這zhe邊bian怎zen麼me樣yang怎zen麼me樣yang的de問wen題ti,所suo以yi從cong這zhe個ge角jiao度du來lai講jiang,我wo們men討tao論lun彙hui率lv問wen題ti,討tao論lun資zi金jin流liu動dong問wen題ti都dou要yao有you更geng大da的de眼yan光guang,這zhe本ben身shen就jiu是shi一yi個ge國guo際ji的de問wen題ti,它ta就jiu是shi一yi個ge國guo際ji收shou支zhi的de問wen題ti,而er不bu是shi我wo們men單dan方fang麵mian的de問wen題ti,從cong這zhe個ge意yi義yi上shang來lai講jiang,我wo們men需xu要yao有you長chang期qi的de思si想xiang準zhun備bei,美mei國guo這zhe次ci次ci按an危wei機ji導dao致zhi金jin融rong的de調tiao整zheng,金jin融rong的de危wei機ji,全quan世shi界jie貨huo幣bi關guan係xi發fa生sheng這zhe些xie變bian化hua,這zhe些xie都dou是shi我wo們men將jiang來lai要yao麵mian對dui的de新xin的de情qing況kuang。我wo們men相xiang應ying的de貨huo幣bi政zheng策ce也ye好hao,彙hui率lv政zheng策ce也ye好hao等deng等deng等deng等deng都dou需xu要yao根gen據ju這zhe些xie新xin的de變bian化hua而er逐zhu步bu逐zhu步bu的de來lai找zhao到dao我wo們men的de最zui大da利li益yi的de所suo在zai。
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主持人:美國這一次發生次按危機之後股市一直下跌,美聯儲連續降息降稅來提高市場的信心,針對目前國內A股市場下跌的情況,也有一些人呼籲政府應該適當的救市,而這並不違背經濟市場的本意,您怎麼看這個觀點?
樊綱:我(wo)對(dui)此(ci)沒(mei)有(you)評(ping)價(jia),我(wo)也(ye)不(bu)研(yan)究(jiu)股(gu)市(shi)。但(dan)是(shi)美(mei)聯(lian)儲(chu)做(zuo)的(de)事(shi)情(qing)它(ta)首(shou)先(xian)是(shi)保(bao)證(zheng)流(liu)動(dong)性(xing)的(de)供(gong)給(gei),它(ta)首(shou)先(xian)是(shi)保(bao)證(zheng)流(liu)動(dong)性(xing)的(de)增(zeng)加(jia)和(he)緩(huan)解(jie)信(xin)貸(dai)萎(wei)縮(suo)這(zhe)件(jian)事(shi)情(qing)。所(suo)以(yi)從(cong)經(jing)濟(ji)當(dang)局(ju)的(de)角(jiao)度(du)來(lai),它(ta)在(zai)一(yi)般(ban)的(de)意(yi)義(yi)上(shang)去(qu)調(tiao)整(zheng)貨(huo)幣(bi)的(de)供(gong)給(gei)和(he)直(zhi)接(jie)去(qu)救(jiu)什(shen)麼(me)市(shi)這(zhe)不(bu)一(yi)樣(yang)的(de)。它(ta)是(shi)通(tong)過(guo)貨(huo)幣(bi)供(gong)給(gei)流(liu)動(dong)性(xing)的(de)這(zhe)種(zhong)調(tiao)整(zheng),間(jian)接(jie)地(di)影(ying)響(xiang)一(yi)些(xie)市(shi)場(chang)的(de)供(gong)求(qiu)關(guan)係(xi),影(ying)響(xiang)市(shi)場(chang)上(shang)人(ren)們(men)的(de)對(dui)經(jing)濟(ji)整(zheng)體(ti)運(yun)行(xing)的(de)信(xin)心(xin)、看法,這是和所謂的救市是不同的。
所suo以yi說shuo,即ji使shi中zhong國guo貨huo幣bi當dang局ju,即ji使shi中zhong國guo的de政zheng府fu麵mian對dui整zheng個ge這zhe種zhong局ju麵mian整zheng個ge經jing濟ji局ju勢shi采cai取qu政zheng策ce調tiao整zheng,我wo相xiang信xin首shou先xian也ye是shi應ying該gai做zuo宏hong觀guan政zheng策ce調tiao整zheng的de事shi情qing。政zheng府fu幹gan預yu微wei觀guan活huo動dong,幹gan預yu市shi場chang活huo動dong,我wo想xiang這zhe個ge你ni不bu管guan是shi壓ya還hai是shi打da,怎zen麼me都dou是shi有you問wen題ti的de,長chang期qi來lai講jiang我wo個ge人ren都dou是shi,我wo個ge人ren我wo也ye是shi對dui此ci也ye保bao留liu看kan法fa的de。宏hong觀guan政zheng策ce是shi大da家jia都dou需xu要yao的de,發fa達da國guo家jia也ye需xu要yao,但dan是shi去qu幹gan預yu微wei觀guan的de一yi些xie活huo動dong,幹gan預yu微wei觀guan的de一yi些xie價jia格ge,幹gan預yu微wei觀guan的de很hen多duo行xing為wei的de約yue束shu和he行xing為wei的de方fang式shi,總zong的de來lai講jiang不bu是shi一yi個ge好hao的de辦ban法fa。至zhi於yu說shuo到dao現xian在zai應ying該gai做zuo什shen麼me,我wo沒mei有you評ping論lun,我wo也ye不bu想xiang評ping論lun這zhe件jian事shi情qing,但dan是shi我wo想xiang我wo們men不bu應ying該gai忘wang記ji了le我wo們men還hai要yao朝chao著zhe市shi場chang化hua的de方fang向xiang更geng多duo的de發fa展zhan,我wo們men的de資zi本ben市shi場chang也ye好hao,更geng多duo的de還hai是shi需xu要yao朝chao市shi場chang化hua的de方fang向xiang發fa展zhan。
你別是市場好的時候要搞市場,市場不好的時候就 請(qing)政(zheng)府(fu)來(lai)幹(gan)預(yu)這(zhe)個(ge)幹(gan)預(yu)那(na)個(ge),到(dao)頭(tou)來(lai)政(zheng)府(fu)背(bei)了(le)包(bao)袱(fu)市(shi)場(chang)還(hai)是(shi)不(bu)好(hao),所(suo)以(yi)我(wo)們(men)還(hai)是(shi)用(yong)一(yi)種(zhong)市(shi)場(chang)的(de)思(si)維(wei),但(dan)市(shi)場(chang)需(xu)要(yao)宏(hong)觀(guan)調(tiao)控(kong)這(zhe)也(ye)是(shi)現(xian)代(dai)市(shi)場(chang)的(de)一(yi)個(ge)要(yao)求(qiu),但(dan)是(shi)在(zai)微(wei)觀(guan)層(ceng)次(ci)上(shang),在(zai)市(shi)場(chang)的(de)這(zhe)個(ge)層(ceng)麵(mian)上(shang)我(wo)說(shuo)還(hai)是(shi)讓(rang)市(shi)場(chang)本(ben)身(shen)發(fa)揮(hui)作(zuo)用(yong)比(bi)較(jiao)好(hao)一(yi)點(dian)。
主持人:這一次雪災在某種程度上加劇了某些物價的上漲,有沒有可能覺得由於雪災帶來了更嚴重的通貨膨脹呢?
樊綱:通tong貨huo膨peng脹zhang是shi一yi個ge長chang期qi的de概gai念nian,通tong貨huo膨peng脹zhang不bu是shi因yin為wei一yi個ge雪xue災zai導dao致zhi了le一yi兩liang個ge月yue的de什shen麼me供gong給gei,供gong求qiu關guan係xi的de暫zan時shi的de變bian化hua,不bu是shi這zhe個ge,它ta隻zhi是shi暫zan時shi的de局ju部bu的de這zhe種zhong價jia格ge上shang漲zhang,所suo以yi通tong貨huo膨peng脹zhang包bao括kuo跟gen通tong貨huo膨peng脹zhang相xiang關guan的de什shen麼me加jia息xi不bu加jia息xi,你ni都dou需xu要yao有you一yi個ge時shi間jian的de概gai念nian,不bu是shi說shuo今jin天tian就jiu調tiao了le,今jin天tian價jia格ge上shang漲zhang了le,我wo馬ma上shang升sheng息xi,馬ma上shang就jiu通tong貨huo膨peng脹zhang高gao了le,第di二er天tian掉diao下xia來lai了le,完wan了le降jiang息xi,這zhe個ge振zhen動dong太tai大da了le,所suo以yi要yao對dui此ci進jin行xing區qu分fen。世shi界jie糧liang食shi價jia格ge上shang漲zhang,世shi界jie油you價jia上shang漲zhang,導dao致zhi的de飼si料liao價jia格ge上shang漲zhang,導dao致zhi牛niu、牛奶、豬肉價格,這是飼料價格上漲引起的長期的變化是一個問題,我們短期的一個局部有一點兒雪、霜shuang,交jiao通tong產chan生sheng問wen題ti等deng等deng,產chan生sheng的de一yi些xie價jia格ge的de上shang漲zhang,總zong的de來lai講jiang是shi屬shu於yu局ju部bu的de和he短duan期qi的de,這zhe還hai沒mei法fa用yong通tong貨huo膨peng脹zhang這zhe個ge詞ci,因yin為wei通tong貨huo膨peng脹zhang本ben身shen它ta是shi具ju有you一yi定ding時shi間jian趨qu勢shi的de,它ta是shi在zai一yi定ding時shi期qi之zhi內nei具ju有you總zong體ti這zhe麼me一yi個ge趨qu勢shi的de這zhe樣yang一yi種zhong價jia格ge變bian化hua,這zhe個ge我wo們men要yao加jia以yi區qu分fen,當dang然ran了le困kun難nan是shi要yao克ke服fu,問wen題ti是shi要yao努nu力li解jie決jue,但dan是shi解jie決jue的de方fang法fa要yao根gen據ju它ta性xing質zhi的de不bu同tong有you所suo不bu同tong。
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吧)的(de)價(jia)格(ge),目(mu)前(qian)農(nong)產(chan)品(pin)的(de)價(jia)格(ge)可(ke)能(neng)麵(mian)臨(lin)一(yi)個(ge)矛(mao)盾(dun),如(ru)果(guo)農(nong)產(chan)品(pin)漲(zhang)價(jia)的(de)話(hua),可(ke)能(neng)會(hui)加(jia)劇(ju)通(tong)貨(huo)膨(peng)脹(zhang),但(dan)如(ru)果(guo)農(nong)產(chan)品(pin)持(chi)續(xu)不(bu)漲(zhang)價(jia)的(de)話(hua),可(ke)能(neng)會(hui)損(sun)害(hai)農(nong)民(min)的(de)利(li)益(yi),在(zai)農(nong)產(chan)品(pin)這(zhe)個(ge)問(wen)題(ti)上(shang),您(nin)是(shi)怎(zen)麼(me)看(kan)的(de)呢(ne)?
樊綱:這zhe一yi次ci糧liang食shi漲zhang價jia是shi全quan世shi界jie性xing的de,這zhe一yi點dian我wo們men要yao想xiang清qing楚chu,正zheng是shi因yin為wei全quan世shi界jie漲zhang了le,我wo們men的de農nong產chan品pin的de價jia格ge也ye漲zhang了le,農nong民min的de收shou入ru也ye提ti高gao了le,這zhe是shi我wo們men前qian幾ji年nian討tao論lun農nong民min收shou入ru怎zen麼me提ti高gao的de時shi候hou,有you人ren提ti漲zhang價jia,那na時shi候hou你ni漲zhang不bu了le價jia了le,你ni一yi漲zhang價jia,有you人ren就jiu進jin口kou糧liang食shi,那na農nong產chan品pin價jia格ge又you平ping抑yi下xia去qu了le,所suo以yi在zai這zhe個ge意yi義yi上shang,這zhe當dang然ran是shi好hao事shi,但dan是shi通tong貨huo膨peng脹zhang不bu是shi好hao事shi,特te別bie是shi超chao出chu世shi界jie範fan圍wei的de通tong貨huo膨peng脹zhang不bu是shi好hao事shi,這zhe種zhong平ping衡heng就jiu是shi我wo們men通tong過guo貨huo幣bi政zheng策ce從cong控kong製zhi需xu求qiu的de角jiao度du,這zhe個ge價jia格ge,然ran後hou增zeng加jia供gong給gei的de角jiao度du,增zeng加jia供gong給gei就jiu是shi價jia格ge上shang來lai以yi後hou,相xiang信xin供gong求qiu關guan係xi會hui發fa生sheng變bian化hua,那na麼me如ru果guo不bu超chao出chu全quan世shi界jie的de通tong貨huo膨peng脹zhang的de水shui平ping,那na我wo們men經jing濟ji還hai是shi穩wen定ding的de,現xian在zai需xu要yao認ren識shi的de一yi個ge非fei常chang重zhong要yao的de問wen題ti,現xian在zai的de通tong貨huo膨peng脹zhang是shi全quan世shi界jie的de,是shi世shi界jie範fan圍wei的de通tong貨huo膨peng脹zhang,原yuan因yin是shi非fei常chang深shen刻ke的de,油you價jia、糧liang價jia這zhe些xie都dou進jin行xing了le上shang升sheng的de周zhou期qi,那na麼me如ru果guo我wo們men因yin為wei需xu求qiu過guo大da,因yin為wei流liu動dong性xing過guo多duo,經jing濟ji過guo熱re導dao致zhi了le額e外wai的de通tong貨huo膨peng脹zhang,那na是shi我wo們men要yao特te別bie著zhe重zhong警jing惕ti的de,不bu要yao因yin為wei它ta的de通tong貨huo膨peng脹zhang來lai波bo及ji到dao其qi他ta領ling域yu,大da家jia都dou跟gen著zhe漲zhang價jia,各ge種zhong成cheng本ben都dou循xun環huan提ti高gao,如ru果guo需xu求qiu過guo大da的de話hua,貨huo幣bi過guo多duo的de話hua,所suo以yi我wo們men現xian在zai的de問wen題ti在zai於yu如ru何he控kong製zhi我wo們men的de總zong需xu求qiu,不bu使shi這zhe種zhong世shi界jie性xing的de,以yi世shi界jie通tong貨huo膨peng脹zhang為wei背bei景jing的de這zhe種zhong價jia格ge上shang漲zhang演yan變bian為wei我wo們men的de供gong求qiu關guan係xi的de嚴yan重zhong失shi調tiao導dao致zhi的de全quan麵mian的de通tong貨huo膨peng脹zhang,所suo以yi這zhe個ge是shi我wo們men現xian在zai要yao著zhe重zhong分fen析xi的de問wen題ti和he解jie決jue的de問wen題ti。
主持人:那08年的經濟走勢您怎麼看?
樊綱:還是挺好的吧!所謂受美國的影響,我們可能低一點,出口稍微少一點,這些是我們原來希望實現的,11點多的增長,太多了。降到10也還是很高,降到9yehaishihengao,jiangleyouderenhuigandaonanshou,danshimeiyouzhegexiaonanshouyihouwomenjiuhuiyoudananshou,nixianzaibutiaozheng,jianglaijingjiguorele,chuxiandadeweijile,najiushidananshou,suoyiwoshuo08年nian出chu一yi點dian兒er小xiao的de調tiao整zheng,這zhe是shi好hao事shi也ye是shi積ji極ji的de,有you人ren老lao說shuo是shi負fu麵mian的de我wo說shuo是shi正zheng麵mian的de,是shi積ji極ji的de,對dui我wo們men中zhong國guo長chang期qi發fa展zhan是shi積ji極ji的de,然ran後hou借jie助zhu世shi界jie經jing濟ji的de調tiao整zheng我wo們men也ye進jin行xing了le我wo們men的de調tiao整zheng,也ye是shi積ji極ji的de,我wo們men結jie構gou當dang中zhong有you很hen多duo問wen題ti,借jie助zhu他ta這zhe種zhong調tiao整zheng我wo們men也ye需xu要yao實shi現xian更geng多duo的de調tiao整zheng,所suo以yi從cong這zhe個ge意yi義yi上shang來lai講jiang,08年仍然是我們經濟持續增長的一年,也許要進行一些調整,也是在長期增長的過程當中的一定的調整,這我個人還是比較樂觀的。
主持人:謝謝樊綱老師,最後跟我們網友說幾句!
樊綱:在此給新浪網的網友們拜年,祝大家2008年工作順利,身體健康,也希望大家2008年開始到新浪網上看中國經濟50人新浪長安講壇,謝謝。